But she testified against great danger. One gunshot would have sufficed. He also went on to say that he preferred Linda as she hadn't killed anyone but because of the grand jury deal, was stuck with Susan.Interestingly, even with Susan, he simply had no case against Linda. At the very least, he was an accessory before the fact in that particular crime. Usually, when I'm reading them, I try to guess who has written them before I get to the end. Scared she wanted to drive away, but could not as her child was at the Spahn Ranch. Just a thought.It brings me back to my favorite question about motive. It's not like he was shooting in the dark. How's that? According to cielodrive.com, Linda and Robert lived together for three months, however, they divorced when she was 17 years old. Or even implicate him.Based upon what ex-members recently revealed about the Hinman murder and DeCarlo, the maker who interviewed these people believes that DeCarlo should and hopefully WILL be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Atkins remembers seeing Pat struggle with Abigail but can't recall the exact sequence of things where she was concerned or how she ended up crawling on the lawn as they were about to leave. So it's not as though there isn't some kind of precedent for stuff being revealed after the fact. I believe it. I'm not even convinced 100% she was ever standing on that sidewalk nor am I convinced she wasn't inside the house (yes, I see the inconsistency). Defence ? She chose to be the way she was and then she eventually became the same kind of parent that Diane and Ruth had.So Sad. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. It was at night and I had no knowledge of what was happening until we actually got there." It was done with no thought, " may offer a window into the confusion and their lack of planning and co~ordination. The perfect storm of just the wrong type of personalities- mixed in with just the wrong type of older influence who made their dark desires ok to live out. And for me it doesn't matter so much 'why?'. But not every brain is wired the same - our neurotransmitters are just ridiculously different in everyone. Her new family, though, was already falling apart. In view of the unbelievably savage nature of these murders, and in view of the fact that hardly anything at all was taken from either the Tate or the LaBianca residences, and in view of all the other evidence in this case, including the statements of Manson, Watson, and Atkins that I have just referred to, a conclusion that these seven murders were perpetrated to help carry out some burglary or robbery would not seem to be consistent with the evidence in this case. I am quite sure that the answer to number 4 is Helter Skelter Mr. H.I an not sure that was the real reason Charlie instigated the murders -but that is the reason Linda,Tex,Katie,Leslie and Susan went and committed them.They have all been saying so for many years.We can try to figure it out ourselves. It's been done about Tex, Larry Jones & Bill Vance in regards to Shorty. So according to you people who defend an alleged mass murderer and those who support Trump are the same "idiots". After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get outYet the reality is that Bobby Beausoleil, Pat Krenwinkel, Charles Watson, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten have all subsequently deviated from the official record. Considering over a little more than three months prior to the murders she didn't have a valid one, I WOULD SAY she didn't.I could be wrong, but the use of the word "valid" in the May 1969 news article could be an indication of that. Sort of a before and after. It Gets Charlie off the hook. It certainly is not a euphemism for "cute innocent girl that never gets into trouble. And the wallet, as you've pointed out, was found on Parent.You don't agree. LISTEN Carefully, Dreath is telling US the LaBianca house was a "robbery" gone BAD.Well Dah ! Some I'm not done pondering, some need more research and I am trying to find an expert or two. After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. She answered the question. How do you know it would have been a black service member? And so on.Linda Kasabian is one of the standard knocking posts of TLB. "We'd got the indictments. That's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from me. Now you seem to be hating on John McCain who enlisted, was shot down, and tortured at the Hanoi Hilton. And refused. Overlooking the fact that Atkins sold him out pretty fast and Leslie lined up right behind her to do the same by puttin' on the crazy brainwashed act with Marvin Partwhich Tex actually did to, although failed.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex Watson. More weight does not necessarily make it right or definitive.That said, quoting various bods is more for the interest of seeing exactly what they did say about certain of the incidents/matters we're all discussing and sometimes providing illumination.If Watson is attacking Voytek..And Krenwinkel is chasing AbigailAnd then Sadie came running out of the house, Who was watching Sharon Tate?No one. The next night, she again drove the family including the previous night members as well as Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to the house of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, rich owners of a grocery store chain. That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED forYeah, despite Bugliosi saying in his closer:"One thing is abundantly clear. [This is very good lawyering. She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? Both have different conclusions.I don't know what you get from that but I know what I get from that. ?Hmmmmm..perhaps I just tend to read through different lenses at times St, but my abiding memories of the Bugliosi~Kasabian makeover are of Vincey describing her and her testimony as "frank and repulsively truthful" and telling Laurence Merrick that he would have gone for a 2nd degree murder charge against her. Its been awhile but I think I recall she said she took his wallet. ]MR.KANAREK: Compound, your Honor, leading and suggestive. Debra Tate Disgraces the Words Victims' Advocate, Manson Blog Reveals True Identity and Fate of Ruby Pearl. She was once a member of Charles Manson's Family. She was initially shocked that they'd killed people for money. It can't be HS because that makes Charlie responsible. We may be more sophisticated now {or maybe just more easily sucked in by salacious red herrings} but the jury often gets a bad press, being portrayed as ignorant ding~a~lings that were easily swayed by Nixon {never mind that some of them had no time for Nixon} whereas if you ask me, they were pretty conscientious for the most part.On top of that, Linda bared all, which made it difficult for any historical shit to stick. Now, give me an approximation.A. This marriage too did not prove to be stable and Linda Kasabian returned to stay with her mother in New Hampshire. It doesn't make sense to suppose that they're all independently connected just because you don't want to accept the overall result and certain aspects that led to that result. ;) Their are people who will help and motivate you if you seek them just as there are people who will be happy to drag you down if you let them. In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that pointAccording to his book, nothing said in the grand jury could be used against Atkins and nothing she said could be used against her co defendants. are with us in spirit if not in direct alliance. This marriage too did not prove to be stable and Linda Kasabian returned to stay with her mother in New Hampshire. document.write(part3 + ''); Grim, I love you to death and read everything you post but you have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficult. At one point he actually criticizes one of the defence lawyers for calling a witness without having spoken to them.I thought all lawyers know what they want those that matter to hear ! Man, that got ugly in a hurry. Hands? But..What I meant was that she said Tex told her to get Steven's wallet. Before I graduated my draft lottery number was 289. Do you hate everyone who was of draft age during the Vietnam era. A few doLinda does notBut that's just my opinion Grim- and it wont change bud :). Lets say Charlie did orchestrate the crimes and he had some private or secret motivation only a very few were aware of. I get why people get pissy over Deb Tate and Bugs. Hippiedom often talked a good game and tried to build a weighty paradise on a foundation so shallow and flimsy that it cracked under the weight of reality. At least ONE Black man personally died in the jungles of Vietnam so HE could get a FREE Blow-Job.AND it will NOW likely come out that "joining a local police force" was the perfect safe-haven for those WHO only thought of themselves - FIRST.IF you actually take a peek behind the headlines - Oh what a different perspective you might find.Like Johnny MaCain, our GREASTEST surviving war HERO shot down from HIS airplane in Vietnam. That mid 50s to mid 60s period may have been one of the first times that families began finding out that there was more to parenting than provision and discipline.Diane Lake is the one I really feel for, being 13 at the time her parents started roaming the universe and pushed her into the vortex. He admits things now but this is not "incarceration '69/70. As you pointed out, different people respond so very differently to similar situations.The real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their familiesI don't know. We know very little of any consequence about what any of them were like or did prior to or after the murders ~ and to be honest, that's how it should be. There is no one inside. ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? It'll take a while for me to digest it. Susan herself brought it up when speaking initially with Howard & Graham. Incidentally, it has been well established {by Bugliosi, in his book, well after the trials when there was nothing to gain} that it was Gary Fleishman that pushed for immunity, not Linda Kasabian. It is time for the oppressed minorities and especially the black man to throw off the continued vestiges of slavery and seize what is rightfully theirs- take back the fruits of their 200 years of slave labor. Mrs. Kasabian said after she saw Frykowsky killed, she thought of Manson and her daughter, Tanya, now 2 1/2. The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll? That, of course, rather obviously is directed at Charles Manson. That is a silly discussion. She's not the reason why some black males are serving life for Marijuana. Credible doesn't always equal reliable and vice versa. It means nothing moreExcept that his 'opinion' was that of the prosecutor that went towards the securing of the conviction. Better yet how about asking Dr. Galloway? I am unclear what you mean by the 'got in Parent's car' issue. They were both into really wild shit long before meeting Charlie. Post this, she moved in with her father who was working as a bartender in Miami. My usage of it is very much in the biblical sense. Not only that, she said she had to go get it from Squeaky and Charlie, if it were not true, would he have remained quiet about it ? Leslie told Marvin Part what she believed.Marvin Part thought she was mad.Part taped her and asked her questions that brought the very answers that had led him to the conclusion she was a lunatic.Part wanted the Judge to hear the tape but he refused and ordered 3 psychiatrists to listen to it to see if they felt she was fit to stand trial.Leslie herself refused to be examined by any psychiatrists because as far as she was concerned she was perfectly sane.Leslie fired Marvin Part.The events mash rather than bear out your assertion.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex WatsonThat's a really good point. Did she play well with others?That job as an aide at a nursing home sounds so kind and sweet. When things didn't work out with Bob, Linda decided to go with Gypsy back to Spahn's Ranch. But that's a subjective judgement. 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