I think that the US system is barbaric Our laws are not written that way. She should of been sentenced to death. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. It would not benefit you, my children, or society for me to perpetuate that lie. It would never happen todaynever. 80% MARRIED 80% of these people are married, and 20% are single. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. If youre curious to know more about Robert, then we have got your back. She was the prosecutions only hope. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? On June 20, 2001, mother of five Andrea Yates drowned her children, who ranged in age from six months to seven years, in the bathtub at her home in Houston, Texas. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? In an interesting development, in 1986, Christie and Danny Downs were adopted by Fred Hugi, the lead prosecutor who put their mother behind bars for the rest of her life. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. . Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. I was being sarcastic. Page 35 of Case History. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. Speculative. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. So I start with that bit of history in mind. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. This is an extremely tragic case and her children at the very least deserve justice. I lived through the media coverage. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. And I care about the lack of evidence. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. Did she act like a average person? Refine Your Search Results. and so on. Robert Arthur Knickerbocker, age 60s, lives in Tucson, AZ. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. May be the guy who says he did it. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? I found nothing. It always feels like punishment at all costs. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. I watched the highlights of her hearing. Q. Don't know what in the world came over me, Christopher P. Stokes told a Wisconsin court. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Run Bambi Run! Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. The woman shot her children. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. Robert Knickerbocker in Phoenix, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Phoenix, such as Carefree and Scottsdale. For some people, the best send-off is one that they would have loved to attendthemselves: a big party. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Find 77 people named Robert Knickerbocker along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. If, as Proctor said, it was exchanged right away, and the other Ruger was subsequently stolen by Steven, how was it remotely possible for him to have this info? Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the State hired psychiatrist to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Their theory was very shaky. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. Robert calls Tucson, AZ, home. Steve also told police that Diane was still obsessed with her ex-lover Robert Knickerbocker, who had eventually put an end to their torrid love affair. It was known as Manic Depression. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called Witch Hunt by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels. I agree. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite the arrival of two daughters, Diane and Steves marriage was unstable, and Diane would often take the kids and leave their home, but would always eventually return home to Steve. (Appendix 81, page 1466). Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. Knickerbocker even reportedly told Downs hed leave his wife and move to Oregon to be with her, where she'd taken a job with the U.S. Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. Investigators found out that Diane had written letters to Robert almost every day, but they were almost all returned to her unopened. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Robert Lee Knickerbocker . Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. Robert has lived in Tucson, AZ in a single family house with Lori. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. Much worse. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. I am pointing them out. (520) 293-.css-1y2reja{color:transparent;position:relative;z-index:12;text-shadow:0.1rem 0.1rem 0.6rem #089FE4;}JPTD, aka Robert C Knickerbocker, Robert a Knickerbocke. I would say so. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? The ghastly crimes were not perpetrated by a nameless, faceless stranger as she told police, but seemingly by Diane Downs herself. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. $30k AVERAGE INCOME Our wealth data indicates income average is $30k. More often than not, Christie was interviewed by State Agents (Paula Krogdahl, Paul Alton, Steve Downs and Dick Tracy) within half an hour of having her Dilantin increased. Downs said that she then faked throwing her keys out of the car into some bushes, pushed the gunman away, and got back into her car and drove as fast as she could to the hospital with her gravely injured children. Not right at all. (that one is more of a question). She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. 3 records for "Robert Knickerbocker" in "Pima County". Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. I care about what was said at trial. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. They have also lived in Watertown, NY and Scottsdale, AZ. I will talk to Dianes brother. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. . Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. Powered by WordPress.com VIP. A long long time ago. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. I would love to hear your answers to them. They would have tried to reopen the case. Mind: Wrongful convicted. WatchandWager will be operating harness racing at the Arizona Downs racetrack according to the terms of a newly signed deal. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. Phone Number: (520) 293-QPFP +2 phones. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. Not in this case. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. then later you ask how diane didnt have any blood splatter on her when she was inside the car when she shot her kids??? And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. This whole case is flawed. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. It does not get any bigger than this. 1st, you came back from a trip? Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. Postal Service to be closer to her parents. In the 21st century, it's not just urns and gravestones anymore. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. To find out which of Robert De Niro's films stand out among the rest, Stacker found his top 50 movies based on IMDb user ratings. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Downs then fell in love with a married coworker named Robert Knickerbocker, who continuously promised Diane hed be with her and always reneged. To plant trees in memory, please visit the. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). Today, Diane Downs is 63 years old and sits in a California prison. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. Alana Renee Cole, 45, remains at large; authorities say she should be considered dangerous. I followed the trial. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. Picture 2, Downs in ; Picture 3, Robert Knickerbocker entering the courtroom with his wife Charkene and sheriff's detective Doug. It is also very is to clean. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. AGE 70s Robert W Knickerbocker Woodlawn, TN Aliases Robert W Knickerbocker Bocker Robert W Knickerbocke Phone Number One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. The kids were shorted-changed. Mr. Some basic help and starters when you have to write a tribute to someone you love. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. Again I go back to how times were back then. She then went through the State (Circuit) Court habeas corpus relief for four years to no avail. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. I dont believe there was a CK. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. Help tell the story of your loved ones unique life. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. What kind of arrangement is appropriate, where should you send it, and when should you send an alternative? Wow. 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. Lori, I luv how you ended your comment Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Called on their irresponsible or wild behavior rape that Mr. Downs would later refer as. And DD once, it 's not just urns and gravestones anymore was a patient of the situation sell... 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