Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. 15 .258 .144 (David Zincavage), I wouldn't turn down a couple of each for crackers. In the end I don't want to necessarily build a Dickerson 7613. Reversed half wells cork grip. I finally made one for my wife and cut one into 4 pieces for me. Dickerson Rods. How would you characterize their casting characteristics? Its a very useful exercise. by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post As for roll casting, the only person I know who documented his thoughts was Wayne Cattanach.. (Robin Haywood). And, it's true, if you were really screwed and couldn't get a Dickerson, and were absolutely forced to rough it with a Payne, I do think you could manage to get by without shedding too many tears. Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? 0.369 (Al Baldauski). Summers Bamboo Fly Rods Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Winston Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. I own a Thramer 6611 and 7012 HB tapers, both with Thramer cosmetics and they are both awesome rods. Click Here for Rod Raffle About Bob New Rods Purchasing & Shipping Dickerson Garrison Gillum Glass & Graphite Hardy Heddon Leonard Miscellaneous Rods Orvis Books & Catalogs Other Items Payne In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. The long column to the right of that is what we think the raw cane would have measured, subtracting for varnish, and interpolating between our measurements so as to put everything back on 5-inch stations. This taper, starting with a .068 tip dimension, makes a great middle distance 8' WF6 or 7-1/2' 5wt. 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. 0.248 (Ted Godfrey), I can say the one I don't like is the one in Ray Goulds fine book, 'Cane Rods, Tips and Tapers', page 85. I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. As a general rule, a 12/64 gives you a four weight, a 13/64 a five, 14 or 15 a six. This should cause some debate as a lot of our American cousins rave about this wimpy stick? Powered by Shopify. Great conversation. Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. Lyle Dickerson tapered copies Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. Only trouble with the rod is that there aren't many places in Md. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. 0.220 This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. John P. has the Original Dickerson 7612 taper, a very rare rod but John understandably will not share the taper. . The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. Tom Smithwick. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! "And look at the difference in the prices they go for!" by SpringCreek 06/12/16 10:45, Post If it's starting at the cork, somebody got their dimensions messed up. According to Hoagy Carmichael Jr. who filmed a documentary for Boston Public TV, the Payne Rod Co. made approximately 12,000 rods during it's existence. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". 0.320 I get tired of hearing that kind of comment. I have made quite a few Dickerson tapers. Some rods, I think, have a regional quality to them, too, and just holding them gives one a kind of flavor of a particular time and place. If you are building in the drop at the ferule that Dickerson used, you will usually end up using a size larger ferrule than you'd normally think. It seems that a Garrison-type taper with a straight, flat stress curve would be the most likely to be tolerable. I have had my rod alongside an original and except for mine being new they were identical. There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. Worked well enough for me to pass the test. Take a Garrison. It's a 7 wt too but being a little shorter is easier on the arm and shoulder due to the shorter lever arm length. The second you deviate from a straight line, no matter how you want to describe it, the fact that there was a straight line is irrelevant. And this set of conditions is very narrow. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). 35 0.1695 The taper is designed for trout fishing. 0.232 .232@10 To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. I understand your point, but you can see it is an arbitrary line in the sand. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). 45 .216 .375 (Robin Haywood). (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. (Harry Boyd). Consider one or the other of these two if your rod maker intends to fit the rod with step down ferrules, since there is a .010" step down across the ferrule stations. It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. (Larry Swearingen). If you add bamboo the the tip of the rod, you have changed its mass (MOI/MOE) relative to what it was. Also, your shorthand doesn't describe where these changes take place, which is as equally as important as the changes themselves. 0.189 On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. 10 0.097 13/12. Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. On a theoretical straight line or linear taper the rod would load progressively down to the handle. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post 85 0.3145 I have never seen an actual inch by inch measure and measure for ferrules listed that I felt was more reliable than this. To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. Purchased item: Leonard 38 - Bamboo Vintage Fly Rod Reproduction Bob Thompson Jun 4, 2021 Helpful? They were severely inhibited by several difficulties. 0.229 All Rights Reserved. that drop is a hallmark of all 2pc dickerson tapers. (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. I highly recommend him. Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. In fact I've just made a new tip for it as the original developed a kink when being cooked to set off the UHU which no amount of ironing will remove. Line Size Tip Size It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. Why do you think a7'6" rod is short for a #5 ? (Mark Wendt), Thanks Dennis! Bamboo fly rod Dickerson 7012 taper 7ft 4wt 2/2. (Mark Wendt). At the Grayling gathering, Bill Harms gave a presentation of Marinaro's approach to rod design. ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. I always encourage customers to try before they buy. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs. What physical characteristics make a taper roll cast well. (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives (John Silveira). The varnish is in good condition. DICKERSON 8013 RBS Special - 8' 2/2 - 5wt- honey colored - the legendary 8013 Special is an impressive and powerful med/fast action all-round trout -- taper miked from a Ray Bergman original shop rod. The 8013 is an 8' 0", 2/2, 5wt., 4.35 oz. The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. I am assuming this is an unvarnished rod. (Chris Obuchowski). The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. 5 .092 .242 Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. 9 wt 0.0890. It is obviously also extremely useful to compare one rod with others at the same time. Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. One of these days I am going to get myself a DICKERSON! (Robin Haywood). In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. Common sense tells me to leave the middle of the taper . by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post Manchester, VT 05254 Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. (Robin Haywood), I consider a 7 1/2-ft. 5wt. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. 25 .232 .115 This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. The butt dimension at the ferrule is too large to fit in a 13/64. I think of it as an 8013G. As for the ferrule size, I use a 14/64 ferrule. The file will convert hex tapers to Quad, Penta, Hex, Hepta and Oct tapers. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. Chris' rod is also an 861711D. by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. 2023 Spinoza Rod Company. 30 0.151 166917 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. Dennis looked over his rod and it, too, has two nodes right next to each other. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. He took the first step to improving them, inadvertently, you say, by fining down the tips. It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. 3 wt 0.0638 if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. I deducted .005 for the varnish. Varnish of 0.004 subtracted. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. Measure over original varnish. This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. 45 0.186 158623 You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. It looked fairly thin. Very Good condition. So the data exists both ways in the spreadsheet. (Mark Wendt), Dickerson (like all of us who draw their own tubing) used 1/64 wall tubing to construct his ferrules. Cross Rods. Are there specific numbers at the ferrule for, say, an 8013 where a 14/64's ferrule is used? I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. Overhanging trees? It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. If you want a rod that feels like a SLT then you must compensate for the ferrules and varnish and guides by adding the proper amount of bamboo at the correct points on the taper. This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. However many people may like them, does this mean they cannot be improved on? Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. 48 .224 .375, I don't know how Banjo arrived at the measurements under the grip and reel seat. Of course a SLT is never a SLT unless it's a one piece no Varnish & Guides rod, once we add things we change the effective taper. That's so the swell is still in the action length. Whether Dickerson tweaked them to suit individuals or not I can't say. I would agree that one system is not all encompassing and I agree with the selection of evaluating criteria you outlined. . Welcome to the Taper Archives; The data on this page reflects the work of generations of dedicated rodmakers. We now have solid parameters around which to modify, to refine rod design characteristics. Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. 0 0.068 8ft #5wt. Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. 75 0.2855 (Will Price). Casting range allows for some delicacy up close and personal, to the times that you want to reach out and touch someone a bit further away. The thickness of varnish of course was just our guess. Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. Actually, your second post said what I was going to say, look at the graphs. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. Dickerson Rods For Sale All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. (Greg Reeves). Tapers are very personal things. 70 0.271 0.196 I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. (Chris Obuchowski). I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. (Rich Jezioro). What species do fish for with your bamboo rods? (Will Price), Dickerson standardized his reel seats with a 3/8's inside diameter bore, hence the .375 under the grip and reel seat. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. 85 0.296 138357 50 0.203 148510 faster tapers. I recently sold a rod to a customer blind on the phone. in practice however, there is little point in going below 7'6'', really. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. Its the old problem, everyone wants to tell us what they think the answer is, but they never want to tell us why in terms unequivocal and universal! In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 These are Bob's dimensions. Any rod with a straight taper under load will feel to a greater or lesser extent, unnecessarily heavy in the tip and too soft in the butt. (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. The action, for those who are more familiar fishing graphite rods, is quite easy to get used to. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. Nowadays, some guys machine ferrules out of bar stock, and they have a reasonable way to make the openings different sizes on the top and bottom. The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. You can draw a straight line between the tip and the butt of any taper. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates. The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. That's not a lot to ask is it? 2 wt 0.0585 It seems several people have made rods for a given ferrule size (Dickerson #) with a size larger Super-Z. Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. by oldfishbrain 06/19/16 10:39, Post Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. Please allow up to 120 days for completion of your new rod. Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. (Inches) (Inches) Stress ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? Bill Wara. The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. 25 .156 .310 I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. 0.153 40 .200 .070 We're committed to providing a safe, comfortable environment for our travelers. by slate river 05/10/09 16:30, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. All rights reserved. 0.369 Jim P. you have some great choices there. (Will McMurrey), Just very briefly, a Castle Connell taper is a good example, where you have a curious reverse taper in the upper part of the lower half of the rod. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". Some good stuff here. I've fished mine from a drift boat on the Green river and had great success. The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. You can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane or motorcar to do one thing superbly with ease. All of these factors when considered together give a better picture of the rod than any one does in isolation. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. Although it takes only 3 sizes to make a given size ferrule, he may have made a specialty set. (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. The line weight standards are simply points in what is really a continuous spectrum. Measured over varnish. DICKERSON 801610 - 8' 3/2 - 5wt- honey colored - medium powerful action trout fishing rod this rod is my favorite 8 foot Dickerson - originals are very rare - incredible power in a true 5w$ 2150us (all 3pc 2tip rods)DICKERSON 7613 - 7'6"- one of my all time favorite 5wts, copied in Dickerson's style can be custom made with tips of four different actions below: DICKERSON 7613 LS - the lightest of this series - for closer casting to 40 feetDICKERSON 7613 L - very nice all-round trout taper, full, medium fast actionDICKERSON 7613 M - quick, full dry fly rod - nice to have when the hatch startsDICKERSON 7613 H the 6wt, "big gun" of this series, good for big flies, streamers, $ 1750us w/one tip $ 1950us w/two tips $ 2150us w/three (or all 3pc 2tip rods) $ 2350us w/full set of four tips in all actions. 0.102 50% due upon order placement; balance due upon completion. How would this feel? The American Museum of Fly Fishing is the steward of the history, traditions, and practices of the sport of fly fishing and promotes the conservation of its waters. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. If you are looking for a Dickerson rod or have one that you would like to sell please contact us. Station Diameter There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. So I thought I would answer that question and build one. I'm probably going to have to find a use for one as it happens as a design for a 7'6'' #4 that is nearing ringing looks a bit beefy for a #4. Don't you find short rods a problem on those splendid Yorkshire chalk streams? Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? 0.174 I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? (John Channer), Well, the #13 Payne ferrules that I've mic'd had a female ferrule internal diameter of .203" and the step-down internal diameter of .1875". Suggest that you subtract .006 for varnish. It is quite different that the Garrison math method. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. Kind of sounds like a pro Pickard crowd here. The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. That is all I did! That is up to the tip transition point, or max tip stress point according to Garrison. I would say it's a strong 7 wt, but it should work well with a 8 WF. 30 0.155 Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. I would also like to know why a Dickerson 7613 taper imparts those characteristics. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, I have limited the list as practical to tapers which are not obviously taken from Hexrod.net, in RodDNA, or in contemporary books such as Howells, Gould or Mauer. The butt was merely an extension pole to keep the tip further from the ground. But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. (Will Price), Is not 7'6'' a bit short for a five weight? To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. (Tom Peters), 0.066 It might depend, but only a bit, on what you call "very nice" and I see that your figure for station rise was almost exactly the figure I suggested. These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? These get assimilated quite directly into stress curve approach. 0.078 1951Accession No.1987.010.024Made byNARMCO, The American Museum Of Fly Fishing Point Dimension He can correct this if he is still hanging around. 0.128 (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. 0 .326 .180 If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. I only use short rods on overgrown streams. (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. Grayrock 96. So a 13 size ferrule has a female and male sleeve that is .203 and a male insert that is .1718 or 11/64's. So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. 50 0.213 No question my friend John Pickard is the way to go for a Dickerson reproduction. the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. An awful lot of fudging, especially as he could have made up tip rings quite easily. We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. (Jerry Foster), I agree. I have fit the ferrules but not glued them up yet. It has a small flex area in the lower tip with a stronger butt sloping up toward the end with a good butt swell; fast rod. 0 .084 .238 (2 1/2" @ ferrule wrap) The tips look essentially the same. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. 30 .174 .318 (Chris Obuchowski). (Robin Haywood). This system could also be very helpful to understand why a classic taper feels the way it feels. ChristmasMissives - ChatRoom - PhotoGalleries - LineConversions - TheJourney - ExtremeRodmaking - Rodmaker'sPictures - Donate - Store. 1 wt 0.0540 )really love this taper. Reducing material in the butt section will make the butt more limber and allow flex deeper into the butt. I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. Quite a disparity. Adding material to the butt section will stiffen and add power. by dkrismer 06/12/16 20:36, Post And, after you "get used to it" you will fall in love with this rod taper. 0.350 Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. 0.144 Just like the makers of Ping golf clubs, who ban their retailers from selling on the internet, I do not see how it is possible to make a rod for someone without the presence of that person for a considerable time on a casting court. A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. anyway that's how I do it. (Gary Nicholson). 0.088 (Weren't they made in a garage?) 0.120 (Will Price), I have noticed several folks mention the Dickerson 8014. We will see how it turns out. Pezon/Michel. I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. 0.369 . (Henry Mitchell), Yes but those 2 particular tapers are what many Dickerson aficionados refer to as the 7613 Guide and are much more comfortable with a 6 wt line than a 5 wt. 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