Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Corinthians 5:17). The Calvinist are attempting to win a prized stronghold in northern Virginia. I know of a Bible church in our area (the Triangle Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) where it appears the elders, not the congregation, hand-picked the pastor. Uniformity of the product and driving down of the raw cost of goods is next on the agenda. The lure of preaching reminds me a great deal of Solomons adulterous woman in Proverbs 7, luring a simple youth to his destruction. While he did pastor churches in his twenties, once he launched his Evangelism ministry he never again pastored a church, even though almost any church would have offered him any deal he wanted, because he knew he could not be an Evangelist and a Pastor without shortchanging the church he was supposed to be pastoring. We are human beings not human doings. It was never my preferred choice, though. (I first learned of it fromSBC This Week.). As others have already stated here, he is exhausting to listen to, and we feel very beat up after his sermons. To be fair to Platt, in his final sermon I referenced he actually made a strong plea for Christians to go to different countries not as professional missionaries, but as workers with regular jobs who can spread the Gospel through normal contacts and also assist to strengthen local churches. When I emailed him asking to clarify if he believed working moms are disobeying Gods call, he forwarded my letter to an assistant to respond and I never really got a clear reply. And yet theyre the very people we should be hearing about, because they are setting an example worth following. Im aware that the owner of a local restaurant does something similar. Once the bible (or more specifically what some people try to do with the bible} is treated as simply a different version of the old Jewish idea of law and thus turned into a burden too heavy to bear-then we can quote Jesus himself about the fact that creating burdens like that is a big time no-no. How can you pastor a church if you dont meet the sheep???? But the church leaders who are in bed with the Gospel Coalition and selling books by Mahaney himself, or DeYoung, Carson, Piper and the others really should know better. Theyre either ignorant of the law or lying to you and blowing you off. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers, Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. For all the problems which have been pointed out about SBC Voices, Dave Miller, et al, made sure that the speakers at the 2017 SBC Pastors Conference (the prelude to the annual SBC gathering/business meeting) came from small churches (< 500 members) and, though all were male, they were not all white. I have written about when he took his Secret Church show on the road to an undisclosed location in the Middle East where a person could lose his life for being a Christian. The event was supposedly being simulcast live to the USA it wasnt. Then they purchased the Wildlife Federation building and mega-sized the already mega church. I think this explains the dislike many of them have for bloggers. Well just have to agree to disagree. My husband said something that has stuck with me the past few months. Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. They (501-c3 religious entities) want all the benefits (infrastructure, free speech protections) of a progressive democracy under the rule of law, but none of the responsibilities. @ Arnold Smartarse: Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB : Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as I see you met the pastor at my former church. Thats another contemporary trend so why not ape it in the church? I know what you mean about David Platts sermon style. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? This year they have got the Pied Piper and years ago they hosted Mark Driscoll. Our church is currently seeking a new pastor and articles like this are extremely useful to help us figure out what is/isnt a pastor! My husband and I attended the Sunday school class in one church but attended services in another. This is why ecclessiolgy and philosophy of ministry is so important. See, I grew up in the remoter parts of the domestic oilfields. I met a lady online and we agreed to meet at McLean Bible Church, where she attended, for their morning service and then have lunch afterward. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. We do need to do both seek the LORD, seek the lost. It is like they think they are crossing some sort of line if they drop their guard and form genuine relationships. But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. I would like to say to all of you. We were rather shocked about his attitude toward pastoring. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? I think youve summed it up pretty well. Sorry to be so long winded but it annoys me to no end to see a ministry that I personally experienced turn into something so at least to me foreign to a Biblical standard of fellowship. Remember that the word Pastor derives from the Latin for Shepherd, if these pastors were employed as actual shepherds they would be lucky to have any sheep left after a week, they would either wonder away, be eaten by wolves, would starve to death or dehydrate, since they seem to believe that they are only supposed to do one job and not deal with the other responsibilities. I have a list of questions, maybe some information from the impacted group, a Reason for Outage, problem tickets and that sort of thing to work from, and I dont spend that much time. I get what youre saying, but people in regular jobs can be run out by one person who doesnt like them. We have greatly improved our administration (add ministry) for which I am thankful. When I asked them What is he preaching on?, they didnt seem to know. Mac Brunson has a history for spending large. I happen to know his income will almost double. We have all heard the idea that Moses had a speech impediment, since he tells God that he is chevad peh and chevad lashon (Ex. Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB: Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as teaching pastor of McLean Bible Church while also continuing to lead the International Mission Board, Dilbeck said. comedian gave a performance recently in which he banked nearly fifteen grand for his one night performance, using the name of jesus near the end to share a gospel-like message. one person i talked to went to so far as to say we cant allow this, or else our tax-exempt status would be jeopardized. And therein lies the rub. No say in the process but you had best pony up to pay his salary! This is not to argue against paid staff but it should certainly argue for much more humility than what is often demonstrated. deny the community access to their facility which they help sponsor with their tax dollars. It is an honor to have your presence and your concerned comments here at The Wartburg Watch. But they brought back many well-researched case studies of people who were. Thanks Grad. The ecclesia, the called-out ones or faithful body of believers, is the Church separated unto the LORD. to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. One guy is not so indispensable and amazing that we need a video feed of him; it can be done by a real person in the location. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all, The Church gathered to worship is a witness that God indwells His people. Im sure they could help Mr Platt find a fulfilment of his dream. (2) The born-again experience: i.e. David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. Shouldnt we all be spending time with Christ, studying? Nice to hear that I wasnt the only one to notice this and it wasnt just my imagination. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. One more thing I almost forgot. It was a hard time to be an officer in NYC with the drug problems Most bakeries by this time will start feeling the cash flow pinch. I think that Platt has a good point. Is there a bonus for adding Lead Prophet and/or Head Apostle to the title? People do what they think will achieve the goal that they have. These pastors faithfully execute the responsibilities of their jobs. WebSpeech disorders affect roughly 11.5% of the US population, and 5% of the primary school population. ___ Vs 14 God says I know He Aaron can speak very well obviously God knew that Moses did have some legit problem with speech like stuttering. Isnt all scripture is inspired by God ad profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness in order to do good works (2 Tim 3:17-8)? Are you prepared to refute the lies of Cultural Marxism spewed by many of todays leading evangelical pastors and authors? If a merger is in the works (someone at SBC Today suggested that might be the case and was chided by a writer at SBCVoices for writing it which made me think its true) Ezell seems like the likely candidate. But they can never cover all of life, and if the manual was so complete, then we would not have the freedom to go and do. But we didnt expect him to know us all by name, succor us through the tough times of life, or somehow be there for us 24/7. Why are we surprised at those results when were flat begging for them? It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. But I also think it has two drawbacks: 1) Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme. Does theology (study of God) take precedence in your schedule? One thing that does often seem to be missing in men and women these days is Godly wisdom. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. They can. I dont believe providing free spaces to commercial growers and businesses should be considered a community service. If you love the Lord and truly follow the Lord, He will open opportunities where He wants you to be. Open Discussion Page. This year Ive been watching 5 churches that broadcast their worship live on Sundays. They will help the bakery improve marketing and distribution: Corporate granaries such as ConAggerback and General Willow Mills. its high time for change. Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. The people in this church are very nice & supportivebut Im starting to think its time to move on. @ Law Prof: No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. Many times the pastor would come over to her home after the Sunday service for coffee, cake and to talk. It is not the whole. It is not a place for mature Christians to sit in the back and ask 1 man what can you do for me?. If left to ourselves, well always eat the same food. (Cars, housing, funding for private schooling for his children, etc.). We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. (Not that I think that is important but since the writer harps on that I just thought Id mention it.) Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. Aspiring to the office of overseer it is a fine work (1 Tim 3:1). You really ned to check out Twitter to get a better idea of what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. @ Preacherskid: And like I said, making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. so, having a pastor think for me is very easy.. For what its worth, I preach somewhere around 10 Sundays a year doing pulpit supply around my area. That sounds like a good first step, but its not a guarantee. And the buzz word missional has taken over their thought process. At the time he was the youngest megachurch pastor in the United States. I wrote about it in the post. ishy wrote: He is doing exactly this! My friend tells me that people were really starting to grumble about that. (1) lyrics: Evanescence: The Evolution of Bring Me To Life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao I hear you. Im not looking for the perfect church . the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. While I dont know the names of even regulars, I probably recognize them, nor are we allowed (if we follow the church guidelines) to say names.) It sounds like the sort of cock-and-bull answer one often gets from a churchy type of person who isnt a Jesus type of person. Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. This is odd to me. not just attend! It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. That does not excuse poor leadership or unwise over-commitments as Platt seems to be doing here. The Creator takes precedence, and His revelation of Himself is central. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? He is doing exactly this! Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. I cannot see the pastor as all that in Bible. Because healthy community is missional. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. @ Hope: They will respond with worship to the created thing Idolatry. So disheartening. ADA Jesus, You Are Able Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. Sopy, youve been too long on the mushrooms I think. According to SBC This Weekhe is only going to teach (give sermons) and will not do anything else in the church. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Devers viewpoint on this subject. In the parish hall of my church. I sincerely doubt that Platt has the mental acuity you have. He believed, and I also think, that is was part of its success. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. The non Cal-Staff members eventually left and were replaced with SBTS people. It is the body of Christ. WebDoes God Have a Speech Impediment? And just in case you think that we are all sitting around on our duffs waiting for the pastor to do something, I want to reassure you that we are doing lots of things. People want to belong, Sneak-Peek: R U Representing Christ, Perhaps?. Their doctrines are like leaven and Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. He will be the preaching pastor at McLean. But you know what I mean: they didnt go there predominantly to be public speakers. (2 Corinthians 11:3), Bet your proverbial @zz, MBC is being played, Spy So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! And in most of these churches, members arent allowed to do much ministry either, because they have paid staff for that who make 4-10x more than the average member of the congregation. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. Lon Solomon rarely asked for money in my many years at McLean. I remember folks telling me to never attend the last Sunday morning service because he loves to ramble on waaaay over time since he doesnt have to worry about the next service. We always sit in the back and still do. I think the title of pastor has lost its meaning. Keeping that statement in mind, what does he say about Platt's new role at teaching pastor? I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. 4:10). When I attended a Sovereign Grace Church the pastors had their own small group! Platt can recite long Scripture passages from memory and moves from one precise biblical reference to another to back up his points, which focus heavily on Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? To my knowledge neither Platt nor Furman have apologized for the scam they took part in. Smyth has preached 20 out of a possible 35 Sundays since he was hired! If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. Now, does pastor osittin around need a person parsonage exemption up to 30% of his salary? A lot of these groups are, to my mind, strongly analogous to the none/done population. The wonder of it all is that God still honors His Bread. If it is only value-added, the world will view us as self-interested and just another organization of created things bent in upon itself. All believers do have access, yes. I was furious but also too new to the church and too scared to call him out on it. His rise to national prominence has inspired many people with speech impediments. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. Also, I think it is wise to say we do things for others because we love them. I dont know of any other job where an employee is granted 2 months of vacation after working for 6 months. Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. Well, I think its clear what the problem is. Real people need real pastors who walk with them through real life like Jesus did, not an image projected on a screen that is scripted and is not real. Yep, I am one of the liberals and it has created much exiling in my SBC life. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage). This is true. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? They are the symptoms of diabetes an epidemic in our generation. Bless him). I saw this with the vicar of an Anglican church I used to go to. I hate all this back room deception and gaming. So when I see that Platt is not being paid a salary, I question that, unless hes already covered in this area by his IMB salary and perks. That was a while back, though, when parsonages were still en vogue. I think we see a lot of cases where pastors shy away from becoming friends with the people in their church. 40:8. The Teaching Pastor Part-time Unpaid 65% gig serves as a bridge to that and also keeps the McLean pewpeons sticky during the transition period between Senior Pastors which is always tricky. I also think its something all Christians should aspire toward, though I do believe all Christians are equal priests in a priesthood lead by Jesus. They cannot-plain and simple. Here are the top six lies David Platt told to McLean Bible Church to mischaracterize conservative dissidents working to save the church from the Woke Social Justice heresy. David Platt lied and claimed McLean Bible Church is not affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. However, all the evidence says otherwise. Of course, you can do some evangelism at the church site. On the other side, he plays Steve in Sex and the City, in which he plays a deaf character. Now every believer does have access, but in the church gathered there is order of service (not chaos) and some invested authority (dont want to debate who and how much, just that it exists). @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. I have long been an advocate of this. It is a very odd collection of characters. Paul preached in the open, in a rented room, in synagogues, and in writing while on house arrest. But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. A church in my area was hosting some type of Coffee House service very late on Friday nights. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? But I experienced him as my (now former) pastor and while he may be a great speaker, he is not a good pastor. is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? I am sure David Platt is a nice guy. He is just a big idea guy. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! Whats going on? Everyone that knows anything must have taken a vow of silence. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. WE need to correct others, and we need to be able to receive correction. I am saddened that you have heard nothing new from the pulpit in years. Our main motivation is Who God is, and that informs us as to how to love one another (because He first loved us). This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. Plus, it has been my experience, that while this is way overly simplistic, there seems to two kinds of people: 1. Some things never change. He became pastor-teacher at McLean Bible Church in 2017. I am thinking that the success of megas is not just about celebrities, just judging from the success of the local mega. Its soft texture conforms to you when you grasp it! Before we get into this post, let's take a look back at the views that Ed Stetzerhad about his former pastoral role in churches. Good chance David Platt will not write much of those sermons. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church but I do have to lead the meeting, I have to ask the right questions and ferret out information that people may be unwilling to give (but we tell them up front, this is not a fault-finding exercise). I heard that allegedly most of the folks in his mega prefer Heath Lambert to preach. A spiritual birth which transforms someone into a true Christian, a saint, by the activity of the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 3:11; John 3:3-8; 7:39; 14:17; 20:22; Acts 2:38; Romans 8:2-26; 14:17; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12; 3:16; 6:11-19; 12:13; 2 Corinthians 3:3; 17-18; Galatians 3:2-5, 14; 4:6; Ephesians 1:13; 3:16; 4:30; 5:18; Philippians 2:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:14; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 6:4; 1 Peter 1:2,22; 1 John 3:24; 4:13; Jude 1:20. We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. They just say they do. I may be reading too much into your comments. . ___ Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? I offer this link to Lon Solomons 2017 letter to the congregation where he announces stepping down as senior and teaching pastor. 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