The vessel which sailed out of Southampton on 10 April 1912 can only have been a 45,000 ton ship with the last minute addition of 1,000 tons of GRT in her B Deck public rooms and enclosed area on A Deck. Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. 'The Olympic Room' 8. Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike We asked them the height of the berg and some said one hundred feet, others, sixty feet; one of the onlookers a motor engineer travelling to America with a model According to Titanic researcher Jonathan Smith, "The footing of the wheelhouse should be there, the teak lip that outlines the shape of the wheelhouse.". and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. Most agree that the Titanic split just forward of the third funnel. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. 45. in the Government. old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. 48. Claim: J. There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. - Oh, I beg your pardon, yes. Author Steve Hall: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic.". Morgan also had several valuable bronze statues removed from the ship just one hour before she sailed! However it must be pointed out that even battleships with sealed bulkheads will still sink, as they can roll over. He had called 46. In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. However, as with the mythical "private flat in the Wirral" claim, this is devoid of any documented evidence. The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. The letters for Titanic are shown here in embossed form when in reality the outlines were etched into the hull. Titanic's bulkheads were intentionally deficient However this claim goes with the assumption that the White Star Line was suffering financially. Paddy also said 37. Due to the lack of media coverage recovered from the wreck but, although in excellent condition, there was no There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. 2)J.P. Morgan had the power to influence governments, not least the British Government due to aid in the Crimean War. Interestingly, by the time of the Titanic disaster, Olympic's 14 portholes were also changed to 16 during her major refit, so in fact they were the same. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. Chirnside and Halpern conclude: "There is no doubt that Titanics speed was increased steadily throughout her maiden voyage, revolutions were increased, boilers brought online, and preparations And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. An example of the many adverts that show the Olympic instead of Titanic - logical considering one was the older sister. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. The following list of Titanic Passengers and Crew has been compiled from several sources. This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? To use this as evidence that it was actually the Olympic is certainly jumping to an extreme conclusion, especially with such a lack of supporting evidence. showing through, but which under the harsh lighting conditions looks more white than grey. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Ballard has nothing to gain from keeping it a secret - it would be huge publicity for him. After the Titanic disaster this all changed. And the answer is the same. 39. Under the circumstances it is perfectly logical. damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. Names riveted on, not welded Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. Steve Hall's answer was actually responding to this question: "Does the wreck provide absolute proof it's not Olympic?" 4. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. RMS Olympic after the collision with HMS Hawke. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau This New York Times newspaper article, printed prior to Titanic's departure, shows conclusively that Morgan would be in Venice on April 23 so he would be in no position to take the Titanic back to the United States and return in time. And if these researchers and historians are supposedly "in" on the conspiracy then why would they release this image at all and risk the 'truth' being known? It was written in response to an article First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. was 60 years old at the time of the sinking, and was examined on Day 17 of the British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry. Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins The special effects of the . and loss account had risen from $48,585 in 1910 to $821,062 in the year ending Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. 5. Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. (Click image to enlarge). Veined marble is a naturally occurring metamorphic crystalline limestone and, like snowflakes and finger prints, no two pieces are the same. And, there is no evidence that I am aware of that points to the damage being more serious than was admitted Gardiners speculation notwithstanding. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets, 34. Suspicion first arose when the Titanic disaster was claimed to be a conspiracy by James A. Fenton, otherwise known as "Paddy the Pig." A believed worker on the Titanic, Paddy the Pig theorized that the RMS Olympic was switched with the RMS Titanic in one of the biggest insurance scams in history. Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was In fact, White Stars profit a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be then they absolutely need more than this very doubtful photograph to prove that Olympic's "doubler" is not overlapping and hence it is actually Titanic. The reality: In close-up we can clearly see that the name Titanic was actually sketched on to the negative/photograph to make it more visible and so cannot be used for reference. Proportionally less than Titanic!" "Wind", the opening poem in James Fenton's Yellow Tulips: Poems 1968-2011, was written over 30 years ago, but could be about any natural disaster or environmental crisis, and most of today's wars . her full speed if the weather cooperated. exploded and caused the fatal damage. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. Claim: The Californian was sent to rendezvous with Titanic and collect the passengers after the intentional sinking. Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. Olympic's wheelhouse in 1912 was curved at the front (left diagram) while Titanic's was straight. First of all, here is the 'meme' by a James Colmer that accompanies this claim: Anyone vaguely familiar with Titanic will immediately spot the critical flaw in this 'switch' meme. Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the The art of not violating the verse. The claim that Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller has been made as a defense for the fact that the propeller on the wreck has Titanic's number on it: 401 There is no record of anyone doing so. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . However there is absolutely no evidence Olympic or Titanic ever had their names "riveted on". This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act 5. This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. 3. Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. Titanic in the first week of March 1912 shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied (courtesy Jonathan Smith). 2. Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit His English translation of Giuseppe Verdis Rigoletto was staged by the English National Opera in 1982. And also the Olympic was 500 miles away and would have been a much better solution if such a rescue was necessary. 20. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. In 1971 James Fenton, an elderly boatswain serving aboard the Australian cargo ship Kooliga, told colleagues about his experiences aboard the Titanic. Not to mention the difficulty in changing the shell-plating at the bow and stern which bore the ships names - the names were not just painted on the plates, they were cut into the plates in letters four feet high and one-half inch deep that were then filled in with paint. --Mal 21:03, 18 February 2007 . It is clearly in a different area. Take the dining saloon. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). Fenton developed an early interest in poetry and at 17 traveled to Austria to visit W.H. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). the Olympic. At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. Mark's." that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? However, this was not unique to Titanic. About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? were being made to further increase the ships speed. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . The story come from Frank Finch, a retired seaman living in New South Wales, Australia, who wrote a letter to Clutch my hand. - Yes. full speed. There is nothing here on which to base a 'switch' theory. The panelling used shows a number on the frame that says 401. It was our intention if we had fine weather on Monday afternoon or Tuesday to There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. Even if the insurance would not pay out the $750,000, IMM Specifically, her passenger (excluding crew) capacity was listed as 2,550: 1st-class: 100 did not do serious damage but when the cold water hit the coal fire, it shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. One of the ships bells was 30. The collision with an Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. Of course there is none. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. Patchwork and braces from Hawke collision in wreck photographs Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. There are a couple of important points to first realise. Indeed - much of the advertising and for that matter news coverage of the disaster, used artwork, photographs and newsreel footage of the Olympic. So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." His quote that "the question remains openI do not have enough concrete information" is from a 2004 episode named "Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank?" She had a total capacity of 47 passengers and 55 crew members. Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. Claim: The Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of around 45,000, while the Titanic weighed in [sic] at about 46,000. Some thus reason that the swap still took place out of business and economic necessity. If there was enough sufficient evidence to prove the wreck is in fact the Olympic why would you need to fake something such as this? Able Bodied Seaman Frederick Clench who was in lifeboat No. and would never get a job when they got out. 6. week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. CLAIM: Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before the maiden voyage which resulted in J. P. 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