Don't assume a damn thing, if a young NCO or Soldier tells you he "thinks" the vehicle is ready or has a full tank of fuel, hand him a long stick, send him back to the Motor Pool, have him put the stick into the fuel tank and bring back said stick with fuel on it, that way both of you will now KNOW that the vehicle is fueled. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. Then, abruptly, he found a substitute and quit the Army to pursue an appointment to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Mr. Erik D. Mitchell assumed the position of Deputy to the Garrison Commander, USAG West Point (IMCOM Directorate - Training), on December 20, 2020. So this cadet would already be embedded with the staff or command team or shadowing the Platoon Leader, and would most likely have some, albeit limited prior service. I wondered about it at the time and this reminded me of it, is this more of like a courtesy thing where Warrants dont salute each other and shake hands instead? Your email address will not be published. entitled to the salute.". They aren't " in the pipeline" yet regarding training , experience or anything else yet. West Point Staff Deputy Chief of Staff: Adjutant General (G1) Deputy Chief of Staff: Strategic Plans and Assessment (G5) Chief Information Officer/G6 Deputy Chief of Staff: Operations, Plans, Training, Force Protection, International Affairs and Security Cooperation Inspector General Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Equal Opportunity SHARP Office Command Sergeant Major Fraser military and civilian education include: Basic Leader Course, Advanced Leaders Course, Senior Leaders Course, US Army Drill Sergeant Academy, First Sergeant Course, United States Army Sergeants Major Academy, Garrison Pre-Command Course, Battalion Pre-Command Course, Command Sergeant Major Development Program, Master Resilience Training, HR Plans and Operations Course, Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault Course, Battle Staff Course, Postal Supervisor, Postal Operations Course, Modern Army Combative Level I and II, Total Army Instructor Course, Equal Opportunity Leader Course, and Combat Lifesaver Course. A lot of people have been killed in combat because of the arrogance of westpointers. I've seen this relationship play out in the Army. The only regularly assigned cadets are in the national guard or reserves as a SMP Cadet. (2) If the commander of a headquarters and headquarters element dies, becomes disabled, retires, is reassigned, or is temporarily absent, the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier of the particular headquarters and headquarters element who performs duties within the element will assume command. She has also worked as a freelance designer for local musicians and events. She graduated from Conway High School in 1989. I really wish I didn't have to speak this way about you kids but most of you did the West Point thing for power or prestige, both of which are useless to Infantrymen, we care less what college you went to, if you can't think on your feat when round crack by you then you get my men killed. It goes both ways and without Officers the Army would surely still fall apart. As that was a long time ago, my memories of the experience were that it was the best and the worst of both worlds. "(3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16." In my experience we rarely see a decent new officer come out of West Point and it's really sad. She has always been passionate about how music and design can bring people together. I did 24 years in the ARMY and have been led by West Pointers! After graduating from high school, they both felt called to enlist, and became clerks. We only go to attention for officers. I would argue that the NCO/CO rivalries have started as a result of more modern times as compared to past wars and generations and honestly it should stop. Two of many subjects I taught E-6 and E-7 were Military Customs and Courtesy, and Uniform. Staff Sergeant Taylor also served as a trombone player with the 323d Army Band "Fort Sam's Own" at Fort Sam Houston. I was an enlisted man and my rank at the time of my discharge in the late Summer of 1989 was Sergeant E5. This would be wiser than placing a WP Year 1 cadet in charge of it. Rrrrr matey, were be that 3rd Lieutenant. Anyway. Only the pay grade the cadet holds. My first platoon leader was OCS, my other two were USMA. Its cadets like you that become true leaders, because you have put your ego in check and will EARN the respect of your troops! Is a cadet a regularly assigned Army Soldier? Master Sergeant Lane's professional affiliations include membership with the Audio Engineering Society and voting membership with The Recording Academy (Producers and Engineers Wing). The ones that get emotional about my post will reply as expected and miss the lesson altogether because they've been hard wired to respond that way. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. That just goes to show that the regular cadets get crapped on and they can't change it. Somewhat surprised by this, and thinking back to my own experiences in CTLT, I asked why he felt that way. This information was not covered or taught. It is the oldest of the five American service academies and . I'm popping into the conversation late, but I completely agree (not that you can argue with the regs). You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and as such know who and where you are able to receive the BEST mentorship and hands on experience. So our government invested thousands on a lying, dishonest, ill-informed, and immature man child to lead others. He also volunteers with local community organizations such as Higher Ground Men's Group, Men of St. Joseph, and the Most Holy Trinity Catholic Choir. But usually, you're the one doing most of the work. The West Point Music Research Center is dedicated to understanding and communicating the effects of music through multi-disciplinary research and analysis. Upon completion of Basic and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma he began his military career as a Field Artillery Surveyor. Oops! By reg,they can't command or lead troops in the field. Officers, commissioned warrant officers, midshipmen, cadets, candidates are all affordedofficer status. For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. It can be a very valuable and rewarding experience if done right and an unfortunate waste of time for the CDT and unit if its not. Infantry Veterans/Retirees cluster together on various online formats and we're very concerned what direction things are going and it has nothing to do with President Trump, I've seen what a prelude to war is twice in my lifetime and I'm seeing another one but in a slower manner. From the senior officer perspective we were largely ignored. Does the cadet need to be regularly assigned to a Cadet billet? At that . All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. The Army has launched an investigation after the unmasking of a semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of U.S. Military Academy, West Point, allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump, an Army official confirmed to the Daily Caller. They've shown great patience, respected my process, and I am grateful for these SFCs, MSGs, and SGMs. It was never the SNCOs, it was always a SSG, SGT, or junior enlisted Soldier disrespecting these cadets (myself included). Indeed, a cadet assigned as a visitor to a regular unit on active duty would not be under disciplinary sanctions by his training command and institution if s/he were under sanctions the cadet would be disqualified from visiting. Corps of Cadets has been announced and includes a strong group of varsity athletes. I have to say that I got a little bit of vindication when I went back to obtain some records from my old guard unit. NCOs are the backbone of the Army and run the Army day to day (as opposed to commanding it). The United States Military Academy (USMA), also known metonymically as West Point or simply as Army, is a United States service academy in West Point, New York.It was originally established as a fort, since it sits on strategic high ground overlooking the Hudson River with a scenic view, 50 miles (80 km) north of New York City. United States Military Academy West Point Army Challenge Coin w/Sleeve! After just two years of military service, Poe attained the rank of Sergeant Major for Artillery, the highest enlisted rank open to him. Superior to a mere cunning, lazy enlisted man. Hey brother. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of In 2003 we never went slower than 55, usually 60 MPH and we never lost anyone. We want to mold a new Officer to become a great leader we can always remember but there's a limit to what we're willing to do. I really liked the story and learned something as well having been a former SMP Cadet before I commissioned. And I declined two Bronze Stars because some senior Officer decided to dispense them for every Officer and Senior NCO in theater! Eight cadet-athletes were selected to leadership positions and will assume their duties Aug. 10. I always say Semper Fi or Airborne when I return salute. Prior to joining the band, Master Sergeant Lane served as head audio engineer at Grammy Award-winning Sono Luminus, a record label in Northern Virginia specializing in classical and jazz music. I was at Camp Buckner in 1989 as my Bn (2/502d, 101st ABN) was slated to train yearlings. I am an honorably discharged Veteran of the active Army. WO1s even as appointed Officers are subject to all provisions of the UCMJ even art 33. Very nice endorsements. As a mom of a cadet thank you! We are all us. I was one of Cohens blue to gold mustangs in the 90s. While being true you must also realize there is a need for Commissioned Officers as well as Non Commissioned Officers. The rank of a cadet is for protocol issues alone such as where to stand in a receiving line or where to sit at a formal dinner. She is the premier vocalist for the West Point Band and first sang with them at their season finale 1812 concert in 1980, at the age of 12. So let me get this straight a probably well connect cadet who memorize info given to them as well as staying nice and tidy, as yet to graduate or earn a degree yet some how thinks that they are officers. You know this, you are assigned as whatever rank you have in the guard. You earn everything in the Army. Correction The lugnut comment was in reference to comment 11 from Toga, not the author. FOOLISH it is for there to be any antagonism between NCOs and cadets, or NCOs and lieutenants. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. Major Rusty A.. The cadet does not outrank a senior NCO E7 or above. Seems like the worst kind of leader to have. IMCOM Directorate - Training, n Deputy/Director Fort Bragg, NC I was recently in a conversation with a senior noncommissioned officer in an elite US Army unit, when the subject of CTLT came up. The regulations can only go so far in some jobs and situations in our Army and beyond that you need to be resourceful or have friends who are. Scott welcomes story ideas and feedback on his articles, and can be reached at, ts summertime, and for many cadets in the Armys ROTC programs and at West Point, that means . He previously served in the 282nd Army Band at Fort Jackson as head light designer and percussionist, performing in the Jazz Combo, Rock Band, and Concert Band. Without our outstanding NCO Corps counterparts, there would be no outstanding officers. Everybody read it. While it might be fun to haze the new margarine bar (he hasnt even worked his way up to butter bar yet), is that really the impression you want him taking with you when he gets commissioned and reports to his first unit? Cadets saluted officers of all United States uniformed services. And yet, the UCMJ does hold all commissioned officers, including CW2-CW5, accountable for their behavior, as they are subject to Article 133, Conduct Unbecoming and Officer and Gentlemen. Your submission has been received. During my time in the regulars, I encountered a couple of West Point Grads who, in my opinion had amused contempt for enlisted personnel below the rank of E5. We need not be concerned about the proviso of either 2-15 or 2-16 as each applies to a Soldier under certain sanctions of discipline. Nurses don't outrank med students or vice-versa. The Army isnt some pay your dues ol boys club anymore. He is actually correct, SMP cadets serve in ARNG units in the rank of cadet. Prior to his assignment at West Point, Sergeant Major Schlegel was assigned to the U.S. Army Medical Command Band at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, where he served as the personnel and administration branch chief and performed as principal trumpet in the Concert Band, Jazz Combo, and Rock Band. Officers and NCO's must realize alike that, they way you treat your future Officers (NCO's case) and the way you treat your subordinates (Officers case) will dictate how the military can and will be run in the future. I bet they could not even remember my name. Somehow, the memo of shifting demographics of new Soldiers within the Infantry never reached West Point so there's a huge disconnect in reality. West Point welcomed Command Sargent Major Michael J. Coffey as the 21st U.S. Military Academy senior enlisted leader during an assumption of responsibility ceremony Monday, August 17, 2020. Thanks for subscribing! West Point grads are elite and you know it, Ask any enlisted person and they will tell you that westpointers are arrogant and on need of a lot of training. Youre right, Sergeant, a West Point cadet DOES outrank you. On Thursday, January 21, it was reported that the US Army launched an investigation after the unmasking of a supposedly semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of West Point Military Academy allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump. I was an Air Force Aviation Cadet during the late 1950's. When a cadet has to leave the USAFA before graduation, he is assigned to a reserve unit with the rank of Airman 2C. So I suppose we dont salute appointed Officers either? More than likely you are just privileged. They always forgot to take the safety bail/pin out of the RPG fuze and the round would just bounce off our Bradleys, lol. What is the TO&E and where is the cadet slotted? Be safe out there, use the "recon by fire" method if probing a road and drop to the ground when a frag is near you, the explosion goes up and away. Master Sergeant Loy Song has played in the Concert Band and Jazz Knights trumpet sections, was a founding member and lead singer of the Benny Havens Band, and is now a member of the Support Staff. Providing innovative solutions and discoveries through international collaborations with leading academic departments, research centers, and industry. And make it quick Lieutenant. After completion of basic training, he attended Advanced Individual Training at Fort Eustis, VA, where he completed the UH-60 Helicopter Repairman course. And if for one second you think any Infantrymen will ever do something that violates our Constitutional form of government, you've made the worst assumption of your young life. His approach to us was simple and he asked lots of questions about how to best kill tanks and he found that each man has their own method of how they like to do things and tactics they like or dislike and for what reasons. Appreciate your reply. The smart ones find a good NCO to mentor them. DESCRIPTION Twin sisters Cathy and Charlie Kahl enlisted in the Women's Army Corps together, and managed to be stationed together throughout much of their career until they both retired as Command Sergeants Major. WEST POINT, NY (Oct. 14, 2016) - The U.S. Army and the U.S . First off the reg says regularly assigned personnel, which the Cadets are not. (1) If a commander of an Army element, other than a commander of a headquarters and headquarters element, dies, becomes disabled, retires, is reassigned, or is temporarily absent, the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier will assume command. Mids rank between W-1 and W-2 last time I had occasion to check. His awards and decorations include the Legion of Merit (1OLC) Bronze Star Medal, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal (3 OLC), Army Commendation Medal (4 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (2 OLC), Meritorious Unit Commendation, Good Conduct Medal (8th Award), National Defense Service Medal (2nd Award), Iraqi Campaign Medal, Afghan Campaign Medal with Campaign Star, Inherent Resolve Campaign Medal, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon with numeral 5, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbon, Parachutist Badge, Air Assault Badge, and Drill Sergeant Badge. If you think a fellow West Point graduate is a great leader, see how she/he behaves after having a soldier vaporized by an RPG in front of him. "The purpose of West Point, therefore, is not to act as a glorified drill sergeant but to lay the foundation upon which a career in growth of military knowledge can be based and to accompany it by two indispensable additions; first, such a general education as educated . Cadets and NCOs do not salute one another. Both have an option for Cadets to be apart of a simultaneous membership program. So I think he had it right. By Command Sgt. In addition, CSM Whiteford served two tours at the U.S . When I was a 2LT, I always took the fact that Vietnam vets 4-10 years older than I was were saluting me as an obligation to do my best to earn that salute. Staff Sergeant Paul Hadwiger, from Kirksville, Missouri, joined the West Point Band in July of 2018. No, I always salute them and treat them as officers, and I make sure everyone else does too, he replied in total sincerity. Secondly, just because of this outdated regulation (considering no cadets are assigned to any deployed units) requires no customs or courtesy obligation from enlisted soldiers or officers. Because according to the Army, they outrank me, sir.. Other notable assignments include working within the 2/320th Field Artillery Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, serving as the Artillery Command Sergeant Major, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia, and serving as the Corps G-3 Fires Sergeant Major XVIII Airborne Corps Headquarters at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. I agree totally with enlisted not saluting a cadet. A rescinding announcement is required if the temporary assumption of command is for an indefinite period. Sometimes, XO is a way of calling the commander or a head of a department in the organization. This essay is an unofficial expression of opinion; the views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of West Point, the Department of the Army, U.S. I never saluted another LT after that as an LT. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has deployed to Kosovo and Iraq. Somebody at USMA needs to ensure cadets are informed about their precedence in the order of ranks and teach them that while they are at AOT/CLTC, etc. And if you think islam is a warm and fuzzy religion, you're way off! Of course, there is another reason to treat West Point and ROTC cadets with respect: they are not going to be cadets forever. Forces Korea, the Department of Defense, or any agency of the U.S. government. Imagine that, good ol Top didnt read the entire regulation, only the part that suited his narrativeshocked. But only a complete cadidiot would get his or her cadet rank confused with an NCO's authority and influence. 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